Jan Levine: Rangers’ Karlsson Konundrum - third party for deal or acquirer? Which side of the deal should New York be on?

Jan Levine: Rangers’ Karlsson Konundrum - third party for deal or acquirer?
Which side of the deal should New York be on?
- airjan23

I'm not continuing the Zibanejad debate from previous. People ignoring stats are just amazing.

As for Karlsson. Get this thing over with. Ottawa just needs to make a deal. He isn't re-signing there. You won't get more for him at the Deadline. Just make a deal already.

I maintain the Rangers should be in this deal only as a go between. Eat money on bad contracts and get more picks, prospects.

I’d put Nils and Miller on the no touch list

I’m not going into Zib argument either. My only argument will be he just turned 25. Hayes 26. After them you have Spooner as a possible C.those are all guys that should be in league for at least another 5 years. Chytil, Anderson, Howden. All 1 st rd picks. Boo N. They can’t all play for next 5 years as well. Same for left dmen. Staal and Smith should both be gone over next 3 seasons. Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov, Day, Miller. Plus all the goalies. To me, Zuc will be gone sooner or later. If not now by deadline for sure. Karlsson. He had tendon severed by a skate. Not sure there’s any long term effects from that or if surgery made him 100%. I’m sure we’re not making deal without totally looking at that. As far as age, he just turned 28... his salary next year is 6.5 mil. No problem. After next season? You do what’s needed if a Panarin becomes available. Maybe you look to move Shatty. Or you continue bringing in youth on elc’s. It’ll be 2 years after next season until Shatty, Staal and Hanks contracts are up. I think you can add Karlsson without upsetting rebuild. I see Anderson as having the lowest ceiling between him Chytil and Howden. One of the left dmen? I think Brooks hit nail on head. Are we really just giving in to losing? Teams make money in playoffs. I don’t see how you pay useless players just to add a pick who won’t be on team for 3,4 years if at all. And on top of that you’re looking at becoming a lottery team with no guarentee of being in top 3. We actually dropped a spot this year

I'm not continuing the Zibanejad debate from previous. People ignoring stats are just amazing.

As for Karlsson. Get this thing over with. Ottawa just needs to make a deal. He isn't re-signing there. You won't get more for him at the Deadline. Just make a deal already.

I maintain the Rangers should be in this deal only as a go between. Eat money on bad contracts and get more picks, prospects.
- tomburton99

Exactly, why not load up now on the future and go for broke in a few years when we we only need 1 or 2 players to contend? It's still NY, this isn't a secondary market where we won't be able to attract a big name free agent in the future

I’m not going into Zib argument either. My only argument will be he just turned 25. Hayes 26. After them you have Spooner as a possible C.those are all guys that should be in league for at least another 5 years. Chytil, Anderson, Howden. All 1 st rd picks. Boo N. They can’t all play for next 5 years as well. Same for left dmen. Staal and Smith should both be gone over next 3 seasons. Skjei, Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov, Day, Miller. Plus all the goalies. To me, Zuc will be gone sooner or later. If not now by deadline for sure. Karlsson. He had tendon severed by a skate. Not sure there’s any long term effects from that or if surgery made him 100%. I’m sure we’re not making deal without totally looking at that. As far as age, he just turned 28... his salary next year is 6.5 mil. No problem. After next season? You do what’s needed if a Panarin becomes available. Maybe you look to move Shatty. Or you continue bringing in youth on elc’s. It’ll be 2 years after next season until Shatty, Staal and Hanks contracts are up. I think you can add Karlsson without upsetting rebuild. I see Anderson as having the lowest ceiling between him Chytil and Howden. One of the left dmen? I think Brooks hit nail on head. Are we really just giving in to losing? Teams make money in playoffs. I don’t see how you pay useless players just to add a pick who won’t be on team for 3,4 years if at all. And on top of that you’re looking at becoming a lottery team with no guarentee of being in top 3. We actually dropped a spot this year
- junaka3

I think Zucc should be a deadline dangle, he's worth more then than now

I think Karlsson would be fantastic to see as a Ranger. He would be our Captain and anchor the right side of our top D pairing for years to come. Having said that, I am hesitant to give ANY player an 8 year contract. He has stated that he wants to be top paid player in NHL, I believe him.
Many here are unhappy with Staal and his contract, this has the potential to be MUCH WORSE. Those last 3 years may be cap killers. Now if Karlsson would take a 5 year deal @ $12 mill/season, I think you pull the trigger. If he will only accept 8 years, that makes him a HARD PASS...

I think Zucc should be a deadline dangle, he's worth more then than now
- KreiderBomb

I totally agree. I’m making Karlsson trade. We play the young guys we have. Maybe everything goes good and everybody outperforms expectations. If not, we make deals at deadline again. Trade Zuc. Trade Shatty. Maybe we can unload Smith if he has a bounce back year. You recoup assets you gave up for Karlsson. You clear cap space for off season. In the end, you’ve brought in an elite dman and flipped older, higher salary guys

the rangers would be better served to keep the untouchable list together and wait on panarin. financially it makes more sense and you lose no one in the core. team could be set for years to come.

I think Karlsson would be fantastic to see as a Ranger. He would be our Captain and anchor the right side of our top D pairing for years to come. Having said that, I am hesitant to give ANY player an 8 year contract. He has stated that he wants to be top paid player in NHL, I believe him.
Many here are unhappy with Staal and his contract, this has the potential to be MUCH WORSE. Those last 3 years may be cap killers. Now if Karlsson would take a 5 year deal @ $12 mill/season, I think you pull the trigger. If he will only accept 8 years, that makes him a HARD PASS...
- TommyGTrain

Staal was never the player Karlsson is. I understand the hesitancy for a long term deal, but you may have a bigger cap hit if it’s short term. I still think Karlsson in later years is still better than most. Also, our top paid guys only have 3 years left on deals. If Shesterkin is as good as predicted, we let Hank go after his 8.5 mil contract is up. Shesterkin will be on an elc

I think Karlsson would be fantastic to see as a Ranger. He would be our Captain and anchor the right side of our top D pairing for years to come. Having said that, I am hesitant to give ANY player an 8 year contract. He has stated that he wants to be top paid player in NHL, I believe him.
Many here are unhappy with Staal and his contract, this has the potential to be MUCH WORSE. Those last 3 years may be cap killers. Now if Karlsson would take a 5 year deal @ $12 mill/season, I think you pull the trigger. If he will only accept 8 years, that makes him a HARD PASS...
- TommyGTrain

I’m not for a Karlsson addition this year, but no matter who the guy, or in any situation and given the age when he’d sign, the 7-8 yr contacts will always be risky. You can say that about JTs just now with the Leafs. It just depends when you bite the bullet in doing that and when the timing is right. Right now the timing isn’t quite right to make this kind of move.

Karlsson has the hammer so he would be able to dictate what his path is. He could say I want to go to full UFA status and get the best offer and most money and since he hasn’t gotten traded yet that could be the case. So if that happens next summer, you go after him with guns a blazin and sign him

Looking at cap down the road. A lot of people expect it to keep going up. Expansion buy in. New tv contract. League is doing pretty good financially

Staal was never the player Karlsson is. I understand the hesitancy for a long term deal, but you may have a bigger cap hit if it’s short term. I still think Karlsson in later years is still better than most. Also, our top paid guys only have 3 years left on deals. If Shesterkin is as good as predicted, we let Hank go after his 8.5 mil contract is up. Shesterkin will be on an elc
- junaka3

Timing is all that matters in this case..IF young prospects/players make big strides this year than any big time players coming in will be worthwhile, if kids don't shine than the best years of Karlsson, kuch, etc will be wasted on this team for a couple of years

If rebuild takes a year or two than great...if it takes more time for it to happen than we will hate any big time acquisitions made this year.

Here is hoping Karlsson is traded today and we can all move on

Looking at cap down the road. A lot of people expect it to keep going up. Expansion buy in. New tv contract. League is doing pretty good financially
- junaka3

It's all relative. As cap goes up so do salaries, so no real advantage to getting value

Here is hoping Karlsson is traded today and we can all move on
- TPC

But unfortunately I don't think it happens. I have moved on, if he comes to Tampa thats great but he is the gravy to an already stacked team that can win the cup as constructed.

But unfortunately I don't think it happens. I have moved on, if he comes to Tampa thats great but he is the gravy to an already stacked team that can win the cup as constructed.
- stammerman

Yea I don't think you guys need him, but hey if you win the cup I will happily take the 1st round pick next season

Yea I don't think you guys need him, but hey if you win the cup I will happily take the 1st round pick next season
- TPC

I will gladly see it go to the Rangers...

Rangers should continue to stock pile player and picks. Tampa went thru this from the 2011 season into the 2014 when they made the playoffs again. Those 3 years were well worth it to rebuild into a continuing contender.

I will gladly see it go to the Ranger...

Rangers should continue to stock pile player and picks. Tampa went thru this from the 2011 season into the 2014 when they made the playoffs again. Those 3 years were well worth it to rebuild into a continuing contender.
- stammerman

Yep I agree. It seems like the Rangers are committed. Hope we can follow that same path

There is no possible deal that works for a Sens/Rangers deal. Melnyk is crazy. He wants off load a maximum amount of salary. HE does not want to take back any salary other than for prospects on entry level contracts or picks.

And then add in the craziness of melnyk wanting to include Bobby Ryan.

Here is hoping Karlsson is traded today and we can all move on
- TPC

Then it will be Skinner watch.

Then it will be Skinner watch.
- smellmyfinger

When can we fast forward to Bay Watch?

No move has been made yet, for a signed Karlsson do you honestly think you get to hold onto every top prospect, it starts with at least one of your walled off group plus a one and a serviceable player, then add a second tier prospect like you listed, if you want less you have to take Bobby Ryan. Why on earth do you think it is taking so long, top prospects or else at this point.

It's all relative. As cap goes up so do salaries, so no real advantage to getting value
- rrentz

True. But what I’m saying is 11 mil today might not seem that much 5 years from now? There’ll probably be lesser players making that

Timing is all that matters in this case..IF young prospects/players make big strides this year than any big time players coming in will be worthwhile, if kids don't shine than the best years of Karlsson, kuch, etc will be wasted on this team for a couple of years

If rebuild takes a year or two than great...if it takes more time for it to happen than we will hate any big time acquisitions made this year.
- rrentz

I don’t expect all prospects to come in and be great off the bat. We still have a young core group between ages 25-27. Aren’t we wasting their prime years too? Do we really want to force guys into full time roles that aren’t ready? Don’t we want quality vets like Karlsson to come in and help bring the youth along. Why are we wasting his years if you have no expectations of winning?